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NEBRASKA REAL ESTATE COMMISSION February 23, 2006 Staybridge Suites Staybridge Room Lincoln, NE Opening Chairperson Gale convened a meeting of the Nebraska Real Estate Commission at 9:03 a.m. on February 23, 2006, in the Staybridge Room of the Staybridge Suites, located at 2701 Fletcher Avenue in Lincoln, Nebraska. All of the members of the Real Estate Commission were present. Also present were Director Les Tyrrell, Deputy Director for Education and Licensing Teresa Hoffman, Deputy Director for Enforcement Terry Mayrose, and Administrative Assistant Monica Wade. Notice of Meeting (Adopt Agenda) Director Tyrrell presented a public notice and proofs of publication thereof relating to this meeting, all of which are attached to and made a part of these minutes. Chairperson Gale reported that all Commissioners had been notified of the meeting simultaneously, in writing, and that a proposed tentative agenda accompanied the notification. Chairperson Gale pointed out to those in attendance that a public copy of the materials being used during the meeting was available to the public on the counsel table in the meeting room, and that the procedures followed were in accordance with the Open Meetings Law. Chairperson Gale asked that guests sign the guest list. Director Tyrrell noted that agenda items 12b and 19c had been added since the tentative agenda was mailed to the Commissioners. Director Tyrrell requested that an emergency item be added to the final agenda regarding the hiring of a Special Assistant Attorney General to handle a complaint with which current counsel had a conflict of interest. After discussion, a motion was made by Poskochil and seconded by Shepard to add Approval of Contact with Special Assistant Attorney General - Complaint 2005-040 as agenda item number 20. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.After review of the final agenda, a motion was made by Johnson and seconded by Griess to adopt the final agenda as amended. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Minutes of January 18-19, 2006 The minutes of the Commission meeting held on January 18-19, 2006, were considered. After review, a motion was made by Griess and seconded by Johnson to approve the minutes as presented. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Receipts and Expenditures Reports Director Tyrrell presented the Receipts and Expenditures Report for January. A copy of said report is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Regarding the report, Director Tyrrell noted that any unusual items were set forth on the explanation page. Director Tyrrell noted that there was nothing unusual to report in Receipts. Director Tyrrell indicated that expenditures category 583300, Computer Hardware Equipment reflected a reduction of $3,000.00 in the budgeted column and the money was moved to 521200, Communications Expense. The amount was moved due to the change in server location since it is now housed out of the office. Director Tyrrell also discussed a delay in payment for the Nebraska.gov services for online transactions due to billing errors. Chairperson Gale asked Director Tyrrell to write a letter to the Secretary of State =s Office if help was needed to get the billing issue resolved.The cash fund balance as of January 31, 2006, was $1,094,399.75, which compared to a cash fund balance of $1,087,668.03 on January 31, 2005. After discussion, a motion was made by Poskochil and seconded by Bohrer to file the January Receipts and Expenditures Reports for audit. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Specialized Registrations - none Non-Resident Licenses and Resident Licenses Issued to Persons Holding Licenses in Other Jurisdictions Report Deputy Director Hoffman presented for ratification the Non-Resident Licenses and Resident Licenses Issued to Persons Holding Licenses in Other Jurisdictions Report, a copy of which is attached to and made a part of these minutes. After review, a motion was made by Poskochil and seconded by Bohrer to ratify issuance of the licenses as set forth in the report. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Examination Report - January Deputy Director Hoffman presented for ratification the January Examination Report, a copy of which is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Commissioner Poskochil asked if applicants are in such a hurry to take the examination that it is causing the percentages to be low. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that perhaps applicants do not study as they should. After review, a motion was made by Bohrer and seconded by Poskochil to ratify the January Examination Report for the purpose of issuing licenses. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Real Estate Education Matters Pre-License Education Instructor Approval Deputy Director Hoffman presented for ratification the Pre-License Education Instructor Approval Report, a copy of which is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Continuing Education Activity Approval Deputy Director Hoffman presented for ratification the Continuing Education Activity Approval Report, a copy of which is attached to and made a part of these minutes. The new continuing education course titled ARookie Training@ offered by the Nebraska REALTORS7 Association of Lincoln was discussed. Commissioner Griess indicated the title was to get the Arookies@ to actually take it. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that the course is worth nine hours of continuing education and is a two day course. There was also discussion regarding the courses taught by the Nebraska Bar Association and Deputy Director Hoffman reported that attorneys teach the courses.Continuing Education Instructor Approval Deputy Director Hoffman presented for ratification the Continuing Education Instructor Approval Report, a copy of which is attached to and made a part of these minutes. After review, a motion was made by Grady and seconded by Johnson to ratify the reports. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard and Gale voting aye. Pending Sworn Complaints and Investigative Matters Director Tyrrell presented a summary report of the pending complaints, which included a list of licensees presently under disciplinary action or on appeal. A copy of said report is attached to and made a part of these minutes. No action was necessary on this report. The following sworn complaints and investigative matters were presented to the Commission: Complaint # 2005-045 Deputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Grady and seconded by Poskochil that the complaint be set for hearing as presented. After further discussion, a motion to amend was made by Poskochil and seconded by Johnson that the complaint be set for hearing only on Neb. Rev. Stat. '81-885.24(29). After further discussion, the motion to amend was withdrawn by the mover and second. A motion to amend was made by Griess and seconded by Johnson that the complaint be set for hearing on Neb. Rev. Stat. '81-885.24(22) and Neb. Rev. Stat. '81-885.24(29). The motion to amend carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye, and with Johnson voting nay. A vote was then taken on the motion as amended. The motion as amended carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Item B Complaint # 2005-049 - Barry & Peggy Franzen vs. James K. HuntDeputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Shepard and seconded by Bohrer that the complaint be dismissed without prejudice. After further discussion, a motion to amend was made by Poskochil and seconded by Johnson that a letter of admonishment be sent to the Respondent. The motion to amend carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye. A vote was then taken on the motion as amended. The motion as amended carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Item C Complaint # 2005-053 - Trenton Bradly Magid vs. Scott Keith SchneidermanDeputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Grady and seconded by Shepard that the complaint be dismissed without prejudice. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Shepard, and Gale voting aye, and with Johnson, Griess, and Poskochil voting nay.Item D Complaint # 2005-054 Deputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. Prior to discussion of this matter, Commissioner Shepard recused himself, thereby nullifying any potential conflict of interest.After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Johnson and seconded by Grady that the complaint be dismissed without prejudice. Motion failed with Grady and Johnson voting aye, and with Bohrer, Griess, Poskochil, and Gale voting nay and with Shepard not participating or voting, having recused himself, thereby nullifying any potential conflict of interest. After further discussion, the Commission requested additional information be acquired by Deputy Director Mayrose.Item E Complaint # 2005-057 - Don L. Clarke vs. Peggy A Krauer Deputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye. Item F Complaint # 2005-058 - Don L. Clarke vs. Roger Lynn KoertnerDeputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Griess and seconded by Bohrer that the complaint be dismissed without prejudice. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Item G Complaint # 2005-059 - Don L. Clarke vs. Joseph Valenti, JoAnn Grennan, Georgianna Vint, and Cynthia Lea Stovie Deputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Griess and seconded by Bohrer that the complaint be dismissed without prejudice. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Item H Complaint # 2005-060 - Charles W. Concannon vs. Mark A. Nichols and Beverly A Nichols Deputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Grady and seconded by Poskochil that the complaint be dismissed without prejudice. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Item I Complaint # 2005-063 - Robert C. Jenkins vs. Connie Rae Meyerring and James Michael Meyerring Deputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Grady and seconded by Bohrer that the complaint be dismissed without prejudice. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Item J Complaint # 2006-003 - Bruce A. Anderson vs. Jerry Thomas VogelDeputy Director Mayrose presented the alleged violations and investigative report to the Commission and, when necessary, answered questions on this matter. After being advised of the results of the investigation and discussion, a motion was made by Poskochil and seconded by Griess that the complaint be dismissed without prejudice. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye, and with Johnson abstaining.Item K Investigative Matter Deputy Director Mayrose informed the commission that Staff had been alerted to certain trust account irregularities regarding a broker =s real estate trust account. The trust account at the present time was under review and being re-constructed by a Certified Public Accountant. Upon completion, this matter would be presented to the Commission as an investigative matter.Item L Investigative Matter Deputy Director Mayrose sought guidance from the Commission as to whether or not they would consider a Stipulation and Consent Order on Complaint #2006-006 providing for a Suspension of Respondent =s license with said suspension all served on probation to run parallel to the Court=s Order of Probation on the criminal matter. The Commission felt this matter should be set for hearing.Presentation of Stipulation and Consent Orders Complaint 2005-050, Deputy Director Mayrose presented a stipulation and consent order in the matter of Complaint 2005-050, Barry and Peggy Franzen vs. Debbie A. Runge-Jesch. A copy of said order is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Deputy Director Mayrose reviewed the circumstances involved and noted the provisions of the order, which had been signed by Ms. Runge-Jesch. The order specified a censure plus three hours of additional continuing education in Agency, to be completed within 60 days. After discussion, a motion was made by Grady and seconded by Shepard to enter into the order as presented. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Hearings - none Informal Special Appearances Melvyn Harold Dodenhof, Salesperson Applicant Director Tyrrell presented an exhibit which included correspondence regarding Mr. Dodenhof =s special appearance, Mr. Dodenhof=s salesperson application, information regarding Mr. Dodenhof=s criminal history and letters of reference. A copy of said exhibit is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Mr. Dodenhof was present.Chairperson Gale reviewed the procedure for informal special appearances. Mr. Dodenhof informed the Commission of his background in sales. Mr. Dodenhof stated that he had been interested in real estate most of his life. Chairperson Gale noted that Mr. Dodenhof also had a background in insurance and had a license since 1996. Chairperson Gale reviewed the felony conviction in 1992 and the DUI in 1998. Chairperson Gale asked Mr. Dodenhof what changes he made to change his life. Mr. Dodenhof indicated that he is a family man and had learned from his mistakes. Mr. Dodenhof also indicated that the felony was the best thing that happened to him, since he did not realize what he was getting himself into and also did not realize how serious it was. Mr. Dodenhof stated he was barely over the limit when he received the DUI, and it was a lack of judgement. Chairperson Gale asked if Mr. Dodenhof attended treatment programs for drugs or alcohol. Mr. Dodenhof stated he had several hours of treatment and also attended meetings. Chairperson Gale asked if he was a part of a support group. Mr. Dodenhof said he is not part of a support group, but he has no desire for drugs or alcohol. Chairperson Gale also asked if Mr. Dodenhof had sought a pardon for his felony conviction and that he could contact the Pardon Board office to get the forms to go through the pardon process to get the felony off his record after 10 years. Commissioner Poskochil indicated that it had been over 10 years and it looks like he has done a great job. After discussion, a motion was made by Poskochil and seconded by Griess to allow Mr. Dodenhof to sit for the salesperson examination after making proper application and to have a license issued upon passing. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Carl Clayton Anderson, Salesperson Applicant Director Tyrrell presented an exhibit which included correspondence regarding Mr. Anderson =s special appearance, Mr. Anderson=s salesperson application, information regarding Mr. Anderson=s criminal history and letters of reference. A copy of said exhibit is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Mr. Anderson was present.Chairperson Gale reviewed the procedure for informal special appearances. Mr. Anderson informed the Commission of his background, including the accounting degree he received from the University of Kearney (UNK). He currently is the vice-president for a telemarketing company and also does contract deliveries. Mr. Anderson explained to the Commission that a building owner wants him to manage the building and is aware of Mr. Anderson =s convictions, but would not give a reference. Mr. Anderson expressed his desire to get involved in property management. Chairperson Gale noted that the degree from UNK was not listed on his application. Mr. Anderson thought this might have been an oversight, but that he received a business administration degree in 1969 from UNK.Mr. Anderson indicated that he currently works for two different companies, he is a vice-president for a telemarketing company, and also does contract delivery for Market Time Transportation. He had previously worked for several local delivery companies. Chairperson Gale also noted on his application he had a liquor license in both Nebraska and Iowa. Mr. Anderson stated that he had owned a couple of bars in the early or mid 80's, and did not lose the liquor licenses, he just went out of business. Chairperson Gale asked Mr. Anderson about the refrigerator incident when he was charged with a felony. Mr. Anderson said that after making full restitution he asked to have the charges dropped, however, he was charged with theft by unlawful taking. Chairperson Gale felt that a felony for the circumstances seemed harsh, and also noted that Mr. Anderson had no convictions since then. Mr. Anderson said he had spoken with the Pardon Board. Mr. Anderson reported no need to have a pardon but might pursue it now, he had just been busy the last 3 or 4 years. Commissioner Poskochil asked Mr. Anderson to expand on the refrigerator situation. Mr. Anderson said that some people owed him money, and he needed a refrigerator for the office, so he went to their rented home and picked up the refrigerator. The rental property owners followed him back and reported the actions to the police. Mr. Anderson asked to get the charges reduced to a misdemeanor but felt the rental property owners wanted to set an example for this very simple incident. Commissioner Poskochil stated that this happened in 1991, and asked Mr. Anderson for what he was owed money. Mr. Anderson stated that at the time, he had ownership in a daycare and they owed for daycare services. Commissioner Grady asked Mr. Anderson to explain the misdemeanor regarding a tire. Mr. Anderson explained that this happened at a bad time in his life. He was drinking and took a tire out of the back of a pickup. Mr. Anderson indicated that he paid the fine. Commissioner Griess asked if this is when he owned a bar. Mr. Anderson replied no, this was when he had ownership in the daycare. Commissioner Griess asked if Mr. Anderson was planning on going into commercial or residential property management. Mr. Anderson indicated that he planned on going into commercial property management, he also stated he will be 60 years old and does not want to deliver anymore. Commissioner Poskochil asked if he has a broker lined up for whom he will be working. Mr. Anderson stated that he is going to go for his brokers license and is already taking the courses. Commissioner Griess noted that he has applied for a salesperson =s license. Mr. Anderson agreed that he applied for the salesperson=s license and in 6 weeks will apply for the brokers license.After discussion, a motion was made by Grady and seconded by Griess to allow Mr. Anderson to sit for the salesperson examination after making proper application and to have a license issued upon passing. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Settlement Agreement - Larry F. Zitek vs. Commission - Appeal to Court of Appeals Director Tyrrell presented an exhibit of the Settlement Agreement. A copy of said exhibit is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Prior to discussion of this matter, Commissioner Griess and Commissioner Poskochil recused themselves, thereby nullifying any potential conflict of interest.Director Tyrrell indicated that Mr. Zitek wished to amend the Agreement so that he could use the continuing education he had already taken toward his regular continuing education requirement rather than as an additional requirement. Commissioner Grady stated that if this is stricken, it does not look like the Commission did anything. Chairperson Gale stated that Mr. Zitek had to pay $17,000.00 in fees. Therefore, he is not walking away free and clear. Commissioner Grady indicated that this was a practical solution, but this goes against his principles. Commissioner Johnson indicated that it does not reflect that the Commission either did or did not accomplish anything, but he did not think Mr. Zitek would do this again and believes that the Commission should agree to give him the education credit. Chairperson Gale stated that this matter was too complicated to start from scratch again. Commissioner Johnson indicated that three hours of continuing education was not much for Mr. Zitek to change the Settlement Agreement either. Director Tyrrell clarified that it was actually 6 hours of continuing education not three as he had indicated earlier. Chairperson Gale noted that this does not close the door for any future violations to be heard by the Commission. A motion was made by Johnson and seconded by Shepard to agree to terms that Mr. Zitek be given credit for the six hours of continuing education and the word Anot@ be stricken and the word Aagainst@ be changed to Atoward@ in paragraph 7. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Johnson, Shepard, and Gale voting aye, and with Poskochil and Griess not participating or voting, having recused themselves, thereby nullifying any potential conflict of interest.Agenda Discussion Items 14, 15, and 16 Items numbered 14, 15 and 16 on the agenda were discussed as one item. The following is the discussion. At the end of the discussion on all three items, action was taken on each item separately. Item 14: Discussion of Increasing Items in State Portion of Licensing Examination Deputy Director Hoffman presented an exhibit of the Excerpt from the October 13, 2005 Commission Meeting Minutes. A copy of said exhibit is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Deputy Director Hoffman quoted Dr. Larry Fabrey, Psychometrician for Applied Measurement Professionals (AMP) and our program manager, AYour 32-item state portion generates scores that are only moderately reliable; when used in combination with the passing point on the national portion, the level of confidence in the accuracy of the score is more certain. If the Commission decides to proceed in this direction, I would definitely advise lengthening the state portion to enhance reliability of the state scores.@ Dr. Fabrey suggests that it would take no less than 2 months to implement and will cost an additional $2.00 per examination. Deputy Director Hoffman suggested that perhaps this change could wait until the next Request For Proposal (RFP) which will be brought to the Commission this summer. The Examination RFP will be sent out this fall. This Commission will award the contract in either November or December this year to become effective July 1, 2007. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that competition could reduce the cost if the Commission decided to make these changes through the RFP process.Chairperson Gale indicated that the idea of increasing 32 questions to 50 questions could take some of the unfairness out of the examination and percentage, also provide a broader scope of what is being tested. Chairperson Gale asked if this could be implemented within 2 months. Director Tyrrell indicated staff would recommend using the RFP process. Director Tyrrell indicated that the Commission could at that time keep the fee charged to applicants at $115.00 or raise the fee. Commissioner Grady felt this was a move in the right direction for competency. Commissioner Griess indicated that there is a need to increase the instruction to focus more on this, otherwise there could be worse results. Chairperson Gale asked if the examination company would be the one to determine the other questions. Deputy Director Hoffman explained the item bank at AMP is substantial. Deputy Director Hoffman would go over the questions, but instructors would be enlisted to be item writers. Commissioner Grady asked Susan Geschwender from Randall School of Real Estate what her opinion was. Ms. Geschwender said that each question would be worth 2 points per item as opposed to 3 points per item currently. This would either give the students more to miss or perhaps a lesser passing rate. Deputy Director Hoffman reported that Dr. Fabrey thinks the additional questions will reflect positively. He also indicated the performance is good in Nebraska and does not think this change is necessary but it does increase the scope of testing. Chairperson Gale noted the budget impact is minimal. Director Tyrrell reviewed the current budget and indicated that it would be approximately $3,000.00 a year. Commissioner Griess asked if the fee AMP would charge would increase if we waited for implementation. Deputy Director Hoffman suggested that if this is implemented in July 2007 the RFP process could minimize the increased cost. Director Tyrrell thought that through the RFP process, a proposal would be based off of the current amount rather than the higher fee, if the $2.00 was implemented now. Item 15: Discussion of Supporting Pre-License Education Addressing Nebraska Real Estate License Law Deputy Director Hoffman presented an exhibit of the Excerpt from the October 13, 2005 Commission Meeting Minutes. A copy of said exhibit is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Deputy Director Hoffman reported two possible formulas for making education concerning Nebraska-specific law available to candidates for licensure. Deputy Director Hoffman reported speaking with pre-license instructors and administrators who teach these subjects regularly, they believe that the License Act, Rules & Regulations, Seller Property Condition Disclosure and Agency are proper content that can be addressed rigorously but thoroughly in approximately 9 hours. They also indicated that since Fair Housing is taught in almost every one of the existing courses it did not need particular emphasis. Deputy Director Hoffman also noted the Finance pre-license course could stand updating, however, the instructors need 30 hours to teach Finance. Deputy Director Hoffman noted the most logical course to absorb Nebraska Real Estate License Law would be the Sales and Brokerage pre-license course. Deputy Director Hoffman reported the second formula would be to put the Nebraska Real Estate License Law in a 9 to 12 hour continuing education course. The Commission could advise applicants to take this course via application packet and licensees could also take this as an AR@ course. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that offering this course as continuing education would not take away from the 60 hour course requirement and not affect the foundation already laid. Commissioner Poskochil asked why it would be good to take it after receiving a license. Deputy Director Hoffman said that it could be suggested in the application packet and the schools could perhaps recommend taking this course prior to getting licensed in addition to the required 60 hours of pre-license education. Commissioner Poskochil noted that most applicants would take only what is required not continuing education. Commissioner Griess thought this should be learned prior to getting a license, and would be helpful in passing the examination. Commissioner Griess indicated that if the course is offered as continuing education, it would minimize the importance because of the expense to the applicants. Commissioner Griess noted that finance in real estate is becoming a specialty and the Finance course should not try to make a licensee an expert. Commissioner Poskochil indicated the licensees should know this subject prior to getting into the real estate business. Commissioner Poskochil indicated the need for 30 hours of Finance should be minimal since most consumers are already preapproved.Deputy Director Hoffman agreed the Finance course could stand some updating, but didn =t think the hours could be minimized. Deputy Director Hoffman reported being told by educators that 30 hours are needed for the Finance course. Deputy Director Hoffman stated that students can take any two pre-license education courses, most students take Principles and Practices, which is the foundation, however, by law they don=t have to take a certain course such as Sales and Brokerage but it should gain popularity if it has Nebraska-specific material in it.Chairperson Gale asked Deputy Director Hoffman if there are some pre-license education courses students take the most. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that most instructors recommend taking Principles and Practices, and Sales and Brokerage, while others recommend Principles and Practices, and Finance. However, the students make their own choices. Chairperson Gale suggested that instructors could recommend Sales and Brokerage but students still may not take it. Commissioner Griess asked what material would be sacrificed if this new material would be combined with the Sales and Brokerage course. Deputy Director Hoffman did not think any material would be sacrificed. Commissioner Poskochil asked where the pre-license education instructors felt this material could be easily absorbed. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that none of the instructors thought Finance, they thought perhaps in a continuing education course, but both continuing education and in the Sales & Brokerage course are workable. Chairperson Gale asked the members of the public in attendance if they wanted to address this issue. Susan Geschwender felt that the Licensing Act material did not fit with Finance since they are different subjects. Rod Faubian indicated that there are some people who are math challenged and according to Title 299, licensees have to provide an estimated cost sheet. Mr. Faubian did not feel licensees needed to rely on the lender for this and expects everyone to be able to do this. Commissioner Griess was interested in knowing if the Finance course needed the full 30 hours for instruction. Mr. Faubian indicated that some Finance is nice to know and most of the class time is spent on the math problems, however, for FHA loans and VA loans speakers are brought in. Commissioner Griess asked Mr. Faubian what kind of math problems he teaches in the Finance course. Mr. Faubian indicated that he spends time on any kind of math, such as percentages. Ms. Geschwender feels that Finance is important for students to know and she gets these results from course evaluations. Chairperson Gale asked if it is reasonable to embed this material into the Sales and Brokerage course. Ms. Geschwender indicated that it could happen, but in every pre-license course the instructors try to draw in the Nebraska Law but they cannot teach the detail needed based on how the courses are currently outlined. Commissioner Griess asked if Ms. Geschwender had a prep course she offered. Ms. Geschwender indicated that the prep course is offered as a two day course, one day spent on Nebraska License Act, and one day on the National portion of the examination. Ms. Geschwender indicated that a 3 hour update to continuing education cannot go into depth. Deputy Director Hoffman noted Mr. Faubian indicated that it is a good idea to have a continuing education course for licensees so they can read through the License Laws and Rules and Regulations once a year. Perry Neilan, from the Nebraska REALTORS 7 Association, indicated the need for additional emphasis on Nebraska Law and heard the Finance course needed to be updated, but License Law may be more appropriate elsewhere. Mr Neilan also indicated that while Deputy Director Hoffman is still researching, he did not think the option should be to learn the material later. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that information on this course could be put in the application packet, and could be endorsed to take it before getting a license as well. Deputy Director Hoffman noted that continuing education can be taken before getting a license not just after you get a license. Mr. Neilan thought it would be alright to have the material as continuing education, but pre-license education is more obvious for this type of material.Item 16: Discussion of Allowing Candidates to Retake Failed Section of Examination Only Deputy Director Hoffman discussed Dr. Larry Fabrey =s reservations about being able to retake only the section of the examination that was failed. Dr. Fabrey believes, Ait could lead to a higher probability of an incompetent candidate to obtain a license.@ Dr. Fabrey believes if the Commission addresses the issues on Nebraska License Law and changing the amount of questions on the examination, that allowing candidates to carry forward a passing score would not be necessary. Chairperson Gale asked if other states allow candidates to carry forward a passing score and split-up the examination. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated this method is practiced. Deputy Director Hoffman also indicated that some jurisdictions think this method is fine, while others do not. Deputy Director stated that in other jurisdictions if candidates do not pass the examination within one or two years, the candidates have to retake the pre-license education, which is not currently done in Nebraska. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that Nebraska=s performance is in the top two percent of AMP=s clientele. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that out of AMP=s clients, Nebraska rates very high with a passing score of 75%. Deputy Director Hoffman was told by Dr. Fabrey that some jurisdictions have a lower passing score. Commissioner Johnson indicated he had agents who do well in one area of the examination but not the other. Deputy Director Hoffman reviewed the failure statistics and reported that more candidates fail both sides. Commissioner Griess felt that candidates do not know what is being asked, perhaps they have an understanding of the questions, but they may not understand the wording. Commissioner Griess also felt that some people who would be good sales agents just give up. Chairperson Gale suggested an option to require the candidate to pass the Nebraska portion of the examination and if the candidate would fail the Nebraska portion of the examination they would have to retake it all, but if the candidate passes the Nebraska portion and fails the National portion, then the National portion only needs to be retaken. Director Tyrrell indicated that may not be possible since it is considered an occupational licensing examination, but perhaps AMP could answer that question. Commissioner Griess suggested if the candidate came within three or five points of passing they could only take that portion. Director Tyrrell indicated again that this may not be possible since it is considered an occupational licensing examination. Deputy Director Hoffman added that the State portion of the examination is a whole and so is the National portion. Chairperson Gale indicated that in this case it would be better to treat the State portion and National portion of the examination as two halves. Deputy Director Hoffman again stated that Dr. Fabrey did not recommend changing to this method.After discussion, a motion was made on item 14 by Johnson and seconded by Bohrer to increase the number of questions on the State portion of the examination to 50 effective with the implementation of the new RFP. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye. With regard to item 15, Deputy Director Hoffman suggested a 9 or 12 hour continuing education course be considered. Commissioner Poskochil suggested the Commission consider doing both, a pre-license education course and that a 9 to 12 hour continuing education activity also be developed. Deputy Director Hoffman indicated that both could be done. Commissioner Griess thought it would be good as a continuing education course and would like it put into a pre-license education course as well. After discussion, a motion was made on item 15 by Griess and seconded by Johnson to embed Nebraska License Law course outline into the Sales and Brokerage pre-license course and that a 9-12 hour continuing education activity also be developed. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye. With regard to item 16, a motion was made by Shepard and seconded by Bohrer not to allow candidates to retake only the failed portion of the examination. Commissioner Johnson indicated he was in favor of this motion but would like to keep an open mind on this subject and look at this option again in another year. Commissioner Shepard indicated that the middle of 2008 would be a good time to look at this again. Commissioner Shepard also pointed out that the statistics show a split down the middle at 50% passing and 50% failing. Chairperson Gale disliked the idea of stretching this out until 2008 since the Association asked the Commission to move along more quickly with this issue. Commissioner Shepard does not want to lower the bar. Commissioner Griess asked if the percentage goes up that means they are better prepared. Commissioner Shepard stated that AMP is saying the pass rate will be better and is afraid that candidates will take the examination twice to study one area only. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Johnson, Poskochil, and Shepard voting aye, and with Griess and Gale voting nay. Discussion of the Change in Database Service Source Director Tyrrell indicated that the Iowa Foundation for Medical Care (IFMC) as of March 31, 2006, will no longer support the license tracking database system, therefore, the Department of Administrative Services, Information Management Services (IMS) had been contacted. IMS had indicated it would be able to take over maintenance of the database system on April 1, 2006. IMS does not bill a flat amount per year, they bill by the hour. Chairperson Gale indicated that he has found that IMS is more receptive and have made enhancements to its services. Director Tyrrell reported that the staff is looking forward to working with them now that they seem more supportive and proactive. No action was necessary on this report. Legislative Matters Director Tyrrell presented an exhibit consisting of legislative bills introduced in the 2006 Legislature. Director Tyrrell reviewed legislation of interest to the Commission. Director Tyrrell noted that the Commission =s bill, LB 819, went forward. Director Tyrrell indicated that the Association=s bill LB 868 was unable to be placed on the Consent Calendar. Walt Radcliffe, the Association=s lobbyist, had indicated they may try to amend LB 868 into LB 819. If however, it appeared that such a move would negatively impact LB 819's passage, the amendment would be withdrawn. Perre Neilan concurred with the Director. Director Tyrrell indicated he would cooperate with this if there was no objection by the Commission. There was no objection.Director Tyrrell also reported with regard to LB 1060, the deficit appropriation request for Examination costs had been withdrawn based on the savings which had been realized during the fiscal year. Director Tyrrell noted that the deficit appropriation for the health insurance cost increase to all agencies, including the Commission, will be proposed. No action was necessary with regard to these matters. Information Matters Trust Account Examination Evaluation Report - Fourth Quarter 2005 Director Tyrrell presented the Trust Account Examination Evaluation Report - Fourth Quarter 2005. A copy of said report is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Director Tyrrell reported that comments were again very positive. He reviewed some of the comments received. No action was necessary on this report. ARELLO Mid-Year Meeting - April 6-8 in Jacksonville, FL Director Tyrrell presented an exhibit regarding the ARELLO Mid-Year Meeting, which will be held April 6-8 in Jacksonville, FL. A copy of said exhibit is attached to and made a part of these minutes. Director Tyrrell asked that Commissioners planning to attend complete the registration form and send it to the Commission office, with a check for the guest registration, if applicable. Director Tyrrell reported that the deadline for hotel reservations is March 1, 2006. Rule Hearing on Builder/Developer Estimated Closing Costs set for March 23, 2006 Director Tyrrell indicated that the rule hearing for the Builder/Developer exemption was scheduled for March 23, 2006, at 9:30 a.m. and that all required notices had been filed. No action was necessary on this report. Emergency Item - Approval of Contract with Special Assistant Attorney General - Complaint 2005-040 Director Tyrrell requested authority to enter into a contract with the appointed Special Assistant Attorney General, Amie C. Martinez, of Anderson Creager & Wittstruck, P.C., for complaint 2005-040 including the holding of the hearing at a rate of $175.00 per hour and the appropriate scale would be used for paralegals and associates. A motion was made by Shepard and seconded by Grady to authorize Director Tyrrell to enter into a contract with Amie C. Martinez, the appointed Special Assistant Attorney General. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.Future Meeting Dates March 23-24, 2006 - Staybridge Suites, Lincoln May 3-4, 2006 - Ramada Limited South, Lincoln June 14-15, 2006 - Ramada Limited South, Lincoln August 24-25, 2006 - Staybridge Suites, Lincoln October 5-6, 2006 - Ramada Limited South, Lincoln Recesses and Adjournment At 9:37 a.m., Chairperson Gale declared a brief recess, and reconvened the meeting at 9:48 a.m. At 11:45 a.m., Chairperson Gale declared a brief recess, and reconvened the meeting at 11:55 a.m. At 1:30 p.m., there being no further business to come before the Commission, a motion was made by Poskochil and seconded by Griess that the meeting adjourn. Motion carried with Bohrer, Grady, Griess, Johnson, Poskochil, Shepard, and Gale voting aye.I, Les Tyrrell, Director of the Nebraska Real Estate Commission, do hereby certify that the foregoing minutes of the February 23, 2006, meeting of the Nebraska Real Estate Commission were available for inspection on March 8, 2006, in compliance with Section 84-1413(5) R.R.S. 1943, of Nebraska. Respectfully submitted, Guests Signing the Guest List Perre Neilan, Nebraska REALTORS 7 Association, LincolnSusan Geschwender, Randall School of Real Estate, Omaha Rod Faubion, NP Dodge, Omaha Beth Lube, Re/Max Real Estate Group, Omaha Chuck Amoura, WASI, Omaha
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